Wow, I've got some awesome data today. So awesome, it even trumps a series of important pediatric RVU and H1N1 announcements (care of the helpful people at the AAP) and Jill Stoller's NBC debut.
What would trump that kind of information?
Igor and I (note how I take credit) have gone through all of the visits performed by PCC clients from 2003 through 2008 to help with some of our practice consulting, customer dashboards, etc. It's a couple billion dollars' worth, so a decent sample size. We've deliberately narrowed it down to pediatricians who have charged at least $300,000 in a year to try to examine the full-full-time providers. What did I learn?
- Immunizations alone accounted for 21% of the charges posted by our clients in 2008. This is up from 15% or so in 2005. Interestingly, vaccines themselves made up approximately 24% of the total revenue, so it would appear that PCC clients collect ~3% more for their vaccines than they charge, on average. Not anywhere close to the 17-28% the AAP suggests we need to cover real expenses, but at least it's close to invoice break-even. In fact, depending on how tightly our clients price their vaccines to their costs, this looks pretty good.
- PCC's providers averaged $816K in charges and $493K in revenue if we include immunizations for a collection rate of 61%. If we exclude immunizations, we're looking at $671K and $396K. The nerds among you will say, "Wait, that's a 59% collection rate, I thought your imms had a 3% margin!" Rounding errors, OK? But it means that each pediatrician carries an average of $100K in imms revenue and product every year - crazy!
- The average PCC provider produced 4107 office visits and 10,242 RVUs in 2008. This value has risen steadily from the ~2.0/vis we were seeing in 2003. Awesome. Worth of a chart (see below).
Depending on whose benchmark you use (ours or the MGMAs), the average PCC clients makes between $153 and $172K based on non-immunizations collections. Sure, we have folks making 5-8x that amount, and plenty who don't make nearly that. There's a $66K stddev.
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More nerds will say...wait, we have dollars collected and RVUs performed. Yup, PCC clients averaged approximately 108% of Medicare with their collections in 2008. Pathetic, especially when you consider we've got the best of the best.
OK, that's a start...there's plenty more in here. I even made a cool chart, click on it to zoom in!
2008 Pediatric Productivity
Very cool, so this is what you've been up to !
Was your definition of a fulltime provider based on visit time? dollars charged? RVU's?
We charge out our imms under provider Office, how does that figure in?
What do you do with CRNPs who, under one contract only get paid at __% of the physician's fee schedule?
just wondering.........
Lynn
2008 Pediatric Productivity
Good questions.
We're calling a full-time provider in this case someone who charges at least $300K. Some funny things happen to the distribution when we go lower (say, $200K), even those folks are often full-time too.
Your imms charges to "Office" are not included in this report anywhere. Provider "Office" is specifically excluded. We have a small number of clients who do things like this, so some of the results are clearly under-estimated, but not by much (<5% by my guess).
If the CRNP charges $300K, (s)he's in there. The lower pay rate affects the collection rate, clearly, but that's the reality of the data :-(
Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions
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Chip, This is awesome. YOU'RE BACK! When you include immunizations in your charges number, do you(or should I say Igor) include ALL immunizations, regardless of encounter type?In other words, when you say numbers without immunizations, are you implying well visits without immunizations or are you removing all encounters with immunizations? In terms of revenue, there is a discrepancy between well visits with shots, a well visit without shots, and a nurse “shot only” visit(ie. an immunization clinic; which are high volume, low margin). If one includes total revenue with immunization, and include ALL immunizations (including all your shot only nurse visit) one’s numbers willbe skewed because nurse visits increase the number of office visits but don’t adany “real” revenue the way a well visit with shot does. I guess the question is, 1) is there a distinction? 2) Should there be a distinction? 3) Does it really matter? By the way, I use Chrome or Firefox as browsers and they don't seem to play well with the site. It always removes my paragraphs.